Removing a wall


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Old 10-19-11, 04:14 PM
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Removing a wall

I want to remove a wall that seperates the kitchen and living room spanning 17ft. The house was built in 1963. I talked to a contractor and he asked me if the truses were stick built. I looked and based on what he told me to look for they appear to be stick built. Just need to know if a beam built out of 2 2x10's and 3/4 plywood would work for this project or should I loook into a lam beam?
 
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Old 10-21-11, 10:16 PM
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It's not clear if you have an attic composed of trusses or joists/rafters. Your term "stick-built trusses" is confusing, as all trusses are usually built of "sticks." You need to determine whether the wall is load-bearing or not. Typically, if you actually have full-length trusses, they are usually designed to clear-span support the entire ceiling, meaning no interior walls are necessary for additional support. Rafters and joists, on the other hand, usually have at least one interior load-bearing wall parallel to the longest exterior walls (and which will be supporting joists in the attic). If the wall to be removed isn't load-bearing, don't waste your $$$ building a beam; just patch the long slot in the ceiling where the wall was using short 2 x 4 cross-pieces, laying flat, for nailing drywall to, in the attic between trusses (or joists--as a wall perpendicular to exterior walls will usually be non-load-bearing, even if joists/rafters are used instead of trusses).
 
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Old 10-23-11, 11:11 AM
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Wha the contractor told me to look for was the metal plates that hold the trusses together at the joints. My truses have none. The wall I want to take out is running the same direction as the longest exterior walls. In the basement there is a strech of 2x6's running the length of the house and directly below the wall I want to tear out. hopefully this clarifies the my first post. If it is a load bearing wall what size lumber would be adequate for a 15- 17' strech? I plan on shortening it by butting in a pantry on one side of it.
 
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Old 10-23-11, 01:22 PM
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You indeed have a load-bearing wall, which is unusual when trusses are used to support the roof-framing. Your trusses were probably built on-site, using plywood for the panel (connection) points, instead of factory-built steel nailer plates.

I am not licensed to practice engineering in Tennessee, meaning I can only tell you a few things to consider. You might want to consult a licensed engineer in your area to look at your situation and design an appropriate beam. That being said, a beam composed of properly constructed, doubled 2 x 10s will have a section modulus (S) of 42.78 cubic inches. Not know the loading on your 17' span, but making some assumptions, and using the bending moment formula, results in a required S of 50.75 cubic inches. The difference in S (required) and S (actual) is large enough to consider your proposed beam somewhat overstressed.

If your 2 x 10 lumber is lousy (weak), or you are supporting a second story and an attic with the beam, then it will be considerably overstressed. So again, I'd suggest you find a local engineer for some hard numbers.

Also, you should use 1/2" instead of 3/4" plywood, if you want the beam to fit in a 2 x 4 framed wall.
 
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Old 10-23-11, 04:14 PM
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Do you think that will hold? Also I am going to be puttin in a door for a pantry, there will be additional 2x4's there to help support the beam. I think the total actual length that will be strechin is
15' taking into account the 2x4' that will be at the end opposite the pantry. Thanks for the advice.
 
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Old 10-23-11, 06:26 PM
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As I said earlier--I cannot say, yes, it will support the loads you are placing on it, as I "can't engineer from a distance." I don't have enough information to determine those loads, and I'm not licensed to practice engineering in your state. The penalty for doing so can be as high as $2000, so I'm again suggesting you find a licensed engineer in your area to give you the final word.
 
 

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