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Need help determining if these two columns are load bearing?


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Old 09-05-14, 09:39 PM
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Need help determining if these two columns are load bearing?

I have two columns in my downstairs living area that I would like to remove. The columns are entirely hollow.
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Above the columns as shown in the picture is a bulkhead which I'm assuming is holding beams. However the bulkhead is not completely straight.

Directly above this section is another wall that separates the rooms from the hallway. However I presume this wall is non load bearing as it is parallel to the joists.

Directly below in the basement, lies the I beam.

Just based on the fact that the columns lie on the I beam makes me think they are load bearing.

However, my neighbour with an identical floor plan bought the house from the builder and asked them to take those columns out, with the builder agreeing since they weren't load bearing.

Really trying to avoid bringing in a structural engineer (I mean that's what I'm majoring in). Lived with the columns for 11 years, if it is load bearing, I'm sure I can live another 11 with them.

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Old 09-06-14, 04:58 AM
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If the neighbor's house is an identical floor plan by the same builder the odds are it's not load bearing.
 
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Old 09-06-14, 05:30 AM
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But studying to be a structural engineer, you can see the importance of good onsite advice.
 
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Old 09-06-14, 05:45 AM
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Maybe use a stud finder, nail or knock on it to determine if it's solid or hollow. A fake beam would have studs 16" on center.
 
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Old 09-06-14, 01:44 PM
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If the neighbor's house is an identical floor plan
I suspect it's identical based on the first floor. I know he made some other changes such as moving the location of the washer and dryer in the basement. Maybe he made some other movements I was not aware of. On top of that maybe he misunderstood the builder and builder just added some LVL's in place of the columns. I'm probably over thinking it, but I'm infamous for that.
 
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But studying to be a structural engineer, you can see the importance of good onsite advice.
No question about it. But the fact that they are not such bothersome columns, prevents me from shelling out some cash to get an on site opinion. If the columns were placed in a way that made absolutely no design sense, I would definitely pay to get it done. If we can't conclude whether or not they are load bearing, I will assume so and leave them as be.
 
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Maybe use a stud finder, nail or knock on it to determine if it's solid or hollow.
I assume you're talking about the bulk head. If so, yes it seems to have studs 16" OC according to the stud finder.
 
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My first thought is that the columns are architectural rather than structural but it would be necessary to know what is above and below for me to advise if removing them was a wise move.
 
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know what is above and below for me to advise if removing them was a wise move.
Above is a non load bearing wall (or at least a wall that runs parallel with the floor joists). While below is the structural I beam for the house.
 
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While I AM an engineer I am not a structural engineer so take what I write with that in consideration.

Although a wall parallel to the floor joists normally is not load bearing there ARE some exceptions to that rule. If the columns are directly over the I beam and the wall is directly over the columns then it could very well be load bearing, or at least the columns may be load bearing. What is above the wall?

Without pictures I can't offer anything and even with pictures it would only be a non-professional opinion, and that is worth less than the price of a cheap cup of coffee.
 
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Old 09-06-14, 11:53 PM
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What is above the wall?
Above the wall is the attic. Anyway I can find out if it's load bearing without breaking some dry wall?
 
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Is your roof of truss construction or does it have rafters? Generally with truss construction all interior walls are non-load bearing but as before there are exceptions. What direction are the trusses or rafters running in relation to the wall in question?

Anyway I can find out if it's load bearing without breaking some dry wall?
You could knock out the columns and then get several fatty friends to jump up and down next to the wall and see if the house falls down. Understand that I do NOT recommend this test.

Seriously, these types of columns are most often an architectural embellishment and rarely are they load bearing. Looking at the picture it appears that the capitals are wider than the "wall" (beam) above and THAT makes me think that they were not actually designed for the installation.

That's about it for my non-professional opinion. Without an on-site determination from an architect familiar with this type of construction or a qualified structural engineer I don't think anyone can add much.
 
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I assume you're talking about the bulk head. If so, yes it seems to have studs 16" OC according to the stud finder.
If it's load bearing it would have a beam to support the load. That sounds like a framed up soffit that is for looks only [or to hide mechanicals] If you can access that part of the attic move the insulation and you should get a good view of the structure.
 
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Just wanted to comment that the hollow columns can be loading bearing.
Below is a brief description of a fiberglass column by the manufacturer:


"Fiberglass columns offer an attractive look that is comparable to wood but more impact-resistant/durable than wood, yet without all the future painting/maintenance one encounters with wood products. Available in both round and square shapes, our smooth round and fluted fiberglass columns are manufactured with true architectural entasis and are strong enough to serve as structural, load-bearing columns. They can also be ordered split in 2 pcs. to serve as a “cover” or “wrap” to be put back together around an existing support post."
 

Last edited by Handyone; 09-07-14 at 07:02 AM. Reason: removed company name
 

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