pump running with pressure but no water in tank or out of faucet


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Old 02-14-14, 06:24 PM
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Question pump running with pressure but no water in tank or out of faucet

pump has been getting waterlogged often but working ok. pump is only 4 years old. this morning when I woke up I heard the pump running and not turning off yet no water was running anywhere. I flipped the breaker to keep from burning up the pump(that's why my pump is only 4 years old, old one burned up). had to go to work, when I got home I primed it and when I flipped the breaker it had pressure but no water output. another thing, before I primed it I tried to drain the tank to take care of ongoing waterlogging problem but no water came out. thoughts?
 
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Old 02-15-14, 05:14 AM
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Notes:

1. Pushing open the Schrader valve on top of a modern bladder equipped pressure tank is not the way to drain it. With a faucet open upstairs and the pump off, re-pressurize the pressure tank to be a few PSI less than the turn on pressure for the system and pump.

2. The bladder that isolates the Schrader valve and an intentional air pocket under it from the water system so water should never come out there. If working properly the minimum pressure you will measure at the Schrader valve will be the pre-pressurized amount (that should be the few PSI less than the pump turn on pressure). Actual system pressure, if less, would be measured by a built in valve in the piping below or away from the pressure tank.

3. If you have a gauge at the pump measuring pressure while a faucet upstairs is open and delivering nothing, then you could have a stuck check valve or clog somewhere in between.
 
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Old 02-15-14, 06:51 AM
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A couple questions. You said when you hit the pump you had pressure, how much pressure? When you noticed that you were not getting water, did you confirm that the pump still held its prime (I know you primed it, but did it stay primed).

If the pump kicks on, when no water is being used by you, then it almost always is a leak. So with that in mind we will need to know, what kind of pump are you using (jet or submersible), is it a deep or shallow well pump (jet pump with one incoming line or two) and are there check valves/foot valves in the incoming water line. What is your cut in and cut out pressures and are you saying that you are using a pressure tank with a ruptured diaphragm? Where is this pump/tank set up. In the house or near the well, is it heated?

Lastly, when you said the pump was on in the morning, was it running constantly or was it kicking on and later kicking off and if it was turning itself off again, was it a quick on and off cycle or a regular on until the tank filled and then off again?
 
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Old 02-15-14, 03:54 PM
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ok, I can answer some of the questions but not all. It's a very shallow well ,15 ft to 28 @ bottom, the pump & tank are together, it's unheated(I'm on Gulf coast) but have had a light on it this year. Jet pump, usually runs @ 60lbs but could only get it to 20lbs with no water going into tank or out of hose. It was running continuously, and it never does that. I don't know that it held prime. I'm a disabled 60 year old woman & am just having to learn this as I cannot afford to hire someone to fix it. It has been kicking on because it was waterlogged the last 3-4 months & I've always been able to drain tank & fix it for a bit. Was just trying to nurse it along till I can afford to get it fixed. Something happened to it 2 nights ago to make it run continuously but not put out any water. Now it will prime & run @ 20lbs but no water. I am about to go to friends to shower & will try to answer more when I get back.
 
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Where is your well in relation to your pump? Does a line run in from outside to the pump? Have you had very cold temperatures lately? It could be that the pipe running in from your well is frozen or you may have a break in the line that is drawing air.
 
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I agree. It sounds like either the line between the pump and well is frozen or you have a leak. The leak being between the pump and well, since anywhere else in the house would be detected by you, by now.

You have described observations that seem to confirm both. I would not think that you would lose prime if the line was frozen, but I suppose it is possible. On the other hand, if you had a leak, the pump would kick on by itself, but should fill the tank and then kick off again. Then a few minutes later as more water leaks out, it would kick back on. You should have a pump cycling problem. You indicated that the pump came on and stayed on, so I am back to the frozen line again.

The leak could probably be fixed by adding a check valve at the income nose of the pump. It would provide the "finger on a straw" effect to keep the water from flowing back out into the well, when not in use...if you have a leak. The frozen line is a little more difficult. That one I have to leave with you. It requires heating the line. Either it is in an area where you can add heat or you have to wait until the sun above warms up your area of the world.

Those are my thoughts. As I said, my best guess is a frozen line. Good luck.
 
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Old 02-20-14, 09:51 AM
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so sorry to let everything go but I have had strep throat & have been so ill, with no water as of yet. Called a repair person today & from what I told him on the phone he thinks the well has went dry. If that is the case I just don't know what I would do. Anyway, I'm back & going to read everyone's posts, and thanks for giving of your time & expertise.
 
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Old 02-20-14, 10:27 AM
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no leak or frozen line, in fact, we had to run the air for a short while last evening to get the heat out of the house. there is only one line to house & most is above ground. It was working at 4am, at 6am I heard it running with no water being used. After about 5 minutes I flipped breaker so as to not overheat pump. It was in the high 50 low 60 temp range that night and hasn't been any cooler than that since. I think that something in the pump broke from turning on & off so much. I'm on a VERY fixed income & you know the rest. pump is less than 50ft from my house, about 20 ft of that above ground.
 
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Are you able to look down the well to see if in fact it is dry? See if you can see or hear any water running back into the well from the pipes going down into the well? If not then you have a problem with the jet at the bottom of the well.
 
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can't look down it without pump off but don't hear any water going into tank at all. That's kinda what I was thinking, the leathers or whatever they're called
 
 

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