Confused re: typesof Sump Pumps "for now"- Pls Help!
#1
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Confused re: typesof Sump Pumps "for now"- Pls Help!
Hi,
had 1st awful "flood" after bad rains 2wks ago- up over furnace in crawlspace- I think came in from a drain pipe down there... Will now need to have a sump pump & basin installed. IN THE MEANTIME- on Xmas Eve we're due for up to another 3" of rain! If I'm not here to manually use the pump & hose- are there any pumps available that are Automatic that can be placed on the basement floor to sense rising water so I can have peace of mind and get my parents to see their relatives and not risk my furnace and lose heat again? And any advice about which brand of sump pump would be appreciated! (I've read to get the Zoeller M57 submerge w/battery backup when I get the pit dug) but for NOW what do I do???
tx,
debbie
had 1st awful "flood" after bad rains 2wks ago- up over furnace in crawlspace- I think came in from a drain pipe down there... Will now need to have a sump pump & basin installed. IN THE MEANTIME- on Xmas Eve we're due for up to another 3" of rain! If I'm not here to manually use the pump & hose- are there any pumps available that are Automatic that can be placed on the basement floor to sense rising water so I can have peace of mind and get my parents to see their relatives and not risk my furnace and lose heat again? And any advice about which brand of sump pump would be appreciated! (I've read to get the Zoeller M57 submerge w/battery backup when I get the pit dug) but for NOW what do I do???
tx,
debbie
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Almost any sump pump can do what you want. There are a variety of switches and controls available that will turn the pump on and off as the water rises.
Personally I do not like battery operated or backup pumps. They can and and do work but the amount of water they can move often pales in comparison to an AC powered pump so you have to look carefully at your situation and needs.
Personally I do not like battery operated or backup pumps. They can and and do work but the amount of water they can move often pales in comparison to an AC powered pump so you have to look carefully at your situation and needs.
#4
For now find a way to plug up the floor drain or other drain you think most of the water came in from. Install this when heavy rain threatens.
For a temporary pump used before you dig the sump pump pit you will need a surface sucking pump. Most regular sump pumps can't suck up the last inch of water so if you use one on the floor surface, much or all of the basement floor (depending on how level the floor is) would have to accumulate an inch of water before the pump will do anything.
For a temporary pump used before you dig the sump pump pit you will need a surface sucking pump. Most regular sump pumps can't suck up the last inch of water so if you use one on the floor surface, much or all of the basement floor (depending on how level the floor is) would have to accumulate an inch of water before the pump will do anything.
#5
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zoeller's m53 is the pump to get ( $ 120 on eBay ) OR zoro.com,,, line the sump excavation w/filter cloth, drill 30 3/4" holes in sump & install on 4" layer of #57 stone,,, fill area 'tween sump & excavation walls w/more #57 - install the pump/pump bushing/check valve unit & pipe it w/1 1/2" pvc for a discharge line,,, remember to drill a 1/8" hole in the pipe just under the ck valve which will drain discharge line thereby reducing ' head pressure ' for the pump when it starts up 
sucker pump MAY work however it'll also be sucking in lots of trash/mud/dirt & soon destroy itself

sucker pump MAY work however it'll also be sucking in lots of trash/mud/dirt & soon destroy itself
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Thank you for the advice- especially with regard to having the pit dug out. But not sure I got exactly the answer I needed about an "automatic" type of temporary pump to use before I get this done which won't burn out if I'm not actually home when it rains heavily.
My brother DID say same thing re: trying hydro cement to plug up that drain connection- however there is a tiny tilt to the foundation towards that drain and a little "stream" of water which comes from effluent water when the ?water table rises so I'm afraid that could create a whole other problem... (though prob NOT to the same degree as this "flood" did) We didn't end up with the 3" forecasted on Christmas- but apparently everybody bought out Home Depot's Sump Pumps! I just bought what was left for a manual one (which as mentioned will leave about 3/4" of water on the floor) I also purchased an Alarm for $10 so I don't have to keep looking down there all the time (have to go outside to get to bulkhead)
But I wanted to buy something that operates like what is inside toilets- with a balloon kind of thing which would trigger the pump then shut it off so it won't burn out- for when I am NOT home and there's a heavy rain... (until I get someone to install this thing) I presume a Plumber- but the guy at Home Depot said maybe a General Contractor? My brother thinks HE can do it- just dig the pit and place the pump (???) I don't know. Plus divert the water away with gutter extenders, etc... I am sure it was a fluke but likely could happen again with that storm drain connector! It's good & bad to have it. Also- once installed am I not then stating I have a Wet Basement? It implies it's a chronic thing when it is not- (re: any resale) though no plans to sell... So, again- did I miss the advice re: what to use until I can hire someone to dig this? (it may take a while to find someone this time of year in Boston) Happy Holidays! deb
My brother DID say same thing re: trying hydro cement to plug up that drain connection- however there is a tiny tilt to the foundation towards that drain and a little "stream" of water which comes from effluent water when the ?water table rises so I'm afraid that could create a whole other problem... (though prob NOT to the same degree as this "flood" did) We didn't end up with the 3" forecasted on Christmas- but apparently everybody bought out Home Depot's Sump Pumps! I just bought what was left for a manual one (which as mentioned will leave about 3/4" of water on the floor) I also purchased an Alarm for $10 so I don't have to keep looking down there all the time (have to go outside to get to bulkhead)
But I wanted to buy something that operates like what is inside toilets- with a balloon kind of thing which would trigger the pump then shut it off so it won't burn out- for when I am NOT home and there's a heavy rain... (until I get someone to install this thing) I presume a Plumber- but the guy at Home Depot said maybe a General Contractor? My brother thinks HE can do it- just dig the pit and place the pump (???) I don't know. Plus divert the water away with gutter extenders, etc... I am sure it was a fluke but likely could happen again with that storm drain connector! It's good & bad to have it. Also- once installed am I not then stating I have a Wet Basement? It implies it's a chronic thing when it is not- (re: any resale) though no plans to sell... So, again- did I miss the advice re: what to use until I can hire someone to dig this? (it may take a while to find someone this time of year in Boston) Happy Holidays! deb
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sorry- may not be called effluent water but "ground water" rising up from the foundation... (?) It's frothy like...
#8
But not sure I got exactly the answer I needed about an "automatic" type of temporary pump to use before I get this done which won't burn out if I'm not actually home when it rains heavily.

#9
The problem with any sump pump to work automatically is you need a pit. The water needs to rise several inches to activate a switch. I don't recall any sump pump that you can sit on a flat floor and have it work automatically.
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deb, that's why we ONLY use the zoeller m53 pump - its automatic w/float/balloon switch mounted on stainless steel guides,,, what you find in the apron/vest stores are ping-pong balls inside floats on tethers,,, most often they will fail long before the zoeller
a 'sump' is just a pit to collect the leaking wtr,,, you COULD just dig a hole but, for best performance, use a sump - either apron/vest OR ferguson's plumbing supply ( imho, better quality )
a 'sump' is just a pit to collect the leaking wtr,,, you COULD just dig a hole but, for best performance, use a sump - either apron/vest OR ferguson's plumbing supply ( imho, better quality )